Reflections on Atheism (II)

I should probably start by apologizing if this post seems disjointed. I’m writing it in spurts while taking care of a very ambulatory two year old who likes to climb on furniture and get himself “treed”.

One thing I’ve seen prevalently (is that a word?) on the atheist blogs I read is that Christians are subjugating the rights of atheists and that religion shouldn’t be tax-supported.

Huh?

I thought that we had freedom of religion in the U.S. and that people were free to believe as they chose. I also know that the U.S. doesn’t have a state religion and that clergy are considered self-employed so it begs the question of how religion is supposedly tax-supported. Reading further, I saw that those making that argument cite the fact that churches have 501(c)3 status which means that contributions to them are tax-deductible. In essence, they have the same status as charities and foundations do.

So…

On The Subject of the Subjugation of The Rights of Others
This is kind of a weird idea to me because I was raised in the San Francisco Bay Area in a non-theist family. We did sing religious music in my choirs in middle school but it was more in the tradition of sacred classical music than “let’s convert the kids” and we did both Christmas and Hannukah music in December. In high school, we had to read the Bible for my honors English classes but it was for the purpose of having background knowledge for discussing American literature (i.e. Genesis and the Steinbeck novel East of Eden). My high school *did* have a baccalaureate service but it was completely voluntary and held at a megachurch off-campus with a variety of clergy leading it. I went to a very secular university and was a minority on campus as a moderately-conservative practicing Christian. My Christian group wasn’t nasty about the fact that it existed and one of the things that was very much ingrained in us was that we needed to be tolerant of others. (My church even baked cookies for the LGBT center on campus after the Matthew Shepherd killing to show that we weren’t evil.)

I would completely dismiss this idea of Christians persecuting non-Christians if I hadn’t moved to Ohio after graduation and lived in small-town rural America (Minnesota and Montana) from 2004-2010. It showed me that my experiences in California aren’t how it is normally and it did cause me to think about the effect that my church and its programs had on the community. I don’t know that we really had an atheist/agnostic/non-theist presence anywhere that I lived during that time — religion is pretty ingrained in rural culture and it’s hard to evangelize to one’s church because doing so is effectively “sheep-stealing” from another place. The local radio station in our small town in Minnesota broadcast church services on Sunday because it’s what the populace wanted — it was a public service to shut-ins and those who missed church due to planting/harvesting/hunting.

The one place I could totally see Christianity being a complete irritation to more secularly-minded people was Ohio. When I lived in Columbus, it was a metropolitan area with enough diversity that I think people could practice their right not to believe in peace. The year and a half I spent in Newark was another story. I don’t know that the high school had its baccalaureate on campus but the choirs at the local high schools did a whole lot of sacred music. Singing Handel’s Messiah is one thing — it’s classical music and a piece that is recognized as much for its musical amazingness as much as it is for the subject matter. Singing solely Christmas music in December is another. I don’t know if there was a synagogue in the county, I’m sure there wasn’t a mosque, and I can’t think of other religions that were present unless one wants to count Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses as non-Christians (which I’m not). What made me really wonder about how “tolerant” people were was some of the comments made at one of the Bible studies we attended where someone (in their 60’s) talked about how his government teacher gave him the choice of memorizing the Lord’s Prayer or the preamble to the Constitution. That struck me as odd and given my background, a violation of the separation of church and state. If it had been a Christian school, that would have been one thing. This was a public high school, however, and I felt like it was wrong. (Being the vicar’s wife, I had to choose my battles and reacting to comments from this Bible study was not a battle I really wanted to fight.) The culture was very much in favor of a more evangelical flavor of Christianity and it was really strange to be in the majority for a change.

Those who have spoken out on this issue have been from rural areas like Jen McCreight (Indiana) or have lived in the south (Hemant Mehta). Having not lived in the South (though Ohio was close), I can’t speak to the amount that religion entangles itself with the culture and it wouldn’t surprise me a bit to find non-theists that feel persecuted there. One of the characters in a series of murder mysteries by author Margaret Maron talks about going to worship and Sunday School when she was campaigning as a judge in rural North Carolina. While these are, of course, works of fiction, I can see it actually being pretty accurate because if you’re going to run for office in a place like that, you have to go where the people go.

So what can non-theists do if they feel persecuted by Christians? One thing would be to somehow network with other non-theists so that you don’t feel like you’re completely alone. Leah at Unequally Yoked has posed the question on atheism and community and I’d love to know exactly how this works for people not in metropolitan areas. Another thing is to do as Hemant Mehta does and be the friendly atheist so that people can get to know you and maybe your connections with people can help create some dialogue. I’m not saying that this is the easiest thing to do and that it will work, but it’s worth a shot.

Above all, please know that the VAST majority of Christians out there are not interested in making your lives hard. Would we like it if you accepted Christ and became Christian? Yes, but that’s more because we love you as people and not because we’re gleefully happy that you may/may not be hellbound. (My official position is that your salvation is between you and God and I’m not the one who makes the decision.) We’d be more than happy to not trample on you but YOU HAVE TO SPEAK UP. (Doing it respectfully helps.) I’d be more than happy to help non-theists find ways to integrate their beliefs (or non-beliefs) into their communities.

So… could my atheist readers tell me how you’re being subjugated? I promise to listen and see what I can do to help.

I guess my commentary on tax exemption for churches will be another post…

The Simple Woman’s Daybook: April 25, 2011

Simple Woman's Daybook

FOR TODAY April 25, 2011

Outside my window… sunshine with some clouds.

I am thinking… about some comments on discussion threads.

I am thankful for… Easter with my parents, brother, and sister-in-law. I’m also thankful for the discussions I’m having via the atheism posts on this blog.

From the kitchen… barbequed pizza from dinner last night.

I am wearing… navy blue maternity shirt and jeans

I am creating…this post. 🙂

I am going… back up to the Gold Country later.

I am reading… Murder by the Slice by Livia J. Washburn. I’ve also been immersing my self in Denise Swanson’s Scumble River mysteries.

I am hoping… we can get all the Medi-Cal stuff straightened out for Daniel this week.

I am hearing… the talking heads my dad is watching on TV.

Around the house… cleaning up after Daniel and doing dishes.

One of my favorite things… getting to watch my mom and Daniel bonding.

A few plans for the rest of the week: heading to LA this weekend for a wedding.

Here is picture for thought I am sharing… Freya on Daniel’s table

Freya on Daniel's table

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A Song For Today

In only a moment truth
Was seen revealed this mystery
The crown that showed no dignity he wore
And the king was placed for all the world
To show disgrace but only beauty flowed from this place

Would you take the place of this man
Would you take the nails from his hands
Would you take the place of this man
Would you take the nails from his hands

He held the weight of impurity
The father would not see
The reasons had finally come to be to
Show the depth of his grace flowed with
Every sin erased he knew that this was
Why he came

Would you take the place of this man
Would you take the nails from his hands
Would you take the place of this man
Would you take the nails from his hands

And we just don’t know the blood and
Water flowed and in it all
He shows just how much he cares
And the veil was torn so we could have
This open door and all these things have
Finally been complete

Would you take the place of this man
Would you take the nails from his hands
Would you take the place of this man
Would you take the nails from his hands
From his hands
From his hands
From his hands
From his hands
From his hands
–“This Man” by Jeremy Camp

Reflections on Atheism (I)

Given how I have a habit of irritating atheists over my claim that it *IS* a religion or at the very least a system of beliefs, I should probably be keeping my mouth shut right now. Anyone who knows me is going to laugh at the thought of that happening.

So.

I have a couple atheist blogs that I read daily and I just finished I Sold My Soul on eBay: Viewing Faith through an Atheist’s Eyes by Hemant Mehta. One of the blogs is by an atheist Yale student who is arguing faith issues with her boyfriend and the other two (Blag Hag and Friendly Atheist) are atheist activists. Friendly Atheist is the blog that grew out of Mehta’s book.) I occasionally comment along the lines of “that’s so not how we Christians are” and I generally keep my mouth shut on other entries because they’ve become “let’s rag on Christians” threads and I have no interest in those.

One thing that seems to be a common thread is how Christians subjugate the rights of atheists and how Christians believe that atheists have no morals. In the next few weeks, I’ll be addressing these two subjects in blog posts.

First, however, I should probably make it clear that I’m a convert to Christianity and that I spent the first part of my life as an atheist/agnostic. My family isn’t religious and my dad can actually be quite anti-religious, especially when it comes to fundamentalism of any kind. If nothing else, I *do* understand how obnoxious it is when people come up to you and try to “win your soul” or “convert” you. In my case, it made me afraid of finding a church after I converted because I was afraid people were going to yell at me about why my family wasn’t there. (The opposite was true — people were chill about it.) Having said that, I’m not going to mock any atheists/agnostics/humanist/freethinkers though I reserve the right to say that the way they are going about things is wrong.

The Simple Woman’s Daybook: April 18, 2011

Simple Woman's Daybook

FOR TODAY April 18, 2011

Outside my window… it was sunny but is now starting to look like storms are coming in.

I am thinking… about an insurance mess, taxes, and the mild migraine I’m fighting.

I am thankful for… Daniel being healthy, his smile, him taking a nap this morning so I could take one…

From the kitchen… not much. Mostly soup and stuff.

I am wearing… a ratty blue shirt and capri sweats.

I am creating… this entry.

I am going… to Walgreens, the post office, and possibly the grocery store.

I am reading… Bury Your Dead by Louise Penny.

I am hoping… I can get my meds on Friday refunded through our HSA, that Daniel’s meds aren’t going to break the bank…

I am hearing… Daniel giggling.

Around the house… dishes and dishes and dishes to do.

One of my favorite things… Trader Joe’s Iced Tea Lemonade.

A few plans for the rest of the week: Daniel’s neuro appointment on Wednesday, errand trips on other days, the Tridiuum…

Here is picture for thought I am sharing… Daniel in the cabinet. He learned how to get out before I could get a picture of him in there.

Daniel in the cabinet.

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7 Quick Takes Friday — 7 Blogs That Make Me Want To Be A Better Mom

7 Quick Takes

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Segullah: Though the writers are Mormon and I am very much NOT, it’s a wonderful blog to read because I can identify with a lot of the posts. One of the women is a pre-eclampsia survivor (her beautiful girls are 4 years old now) and others are stay-at-home moms who encourage me greatly. There’s a lot to be said for the commonality of motherhood. (Thanks Ann for introducing me to this site!)

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House of Estrogen: This is Ann’s blog and she talks about life with three daughters. (The title comes from the fact that her husband is the lone male in a “house of estrogen”.) I found Ann through The Simple Woman’s Daybook and I love the way she blogs honestly about the seemingly mundane stuff in raising her daughters. (It feels like she and I are the only ones who aren’t conservative Catholic/Protestant homeschoolers.) I feel a lot of times like I have no idea what I’m doing in raising Daniel and Ann gives me a lot of confidence.

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Scenes from the Wild: Michelle is one of the Segullah bloggers (she’s one of the blog editors, actually) and I just found her blog in the last week through Ann. (Her blog sidebar links are great — what else can I say!) I just got done reading through all the archives and I’ve put it on my feed reader. Michelle has six kids — five (!!!) boys and one spoiled princess. I love that she’s not a perfect mom and that she admits this (a little too freely — she should give herself more credit). She reminds me that part of being a mom (a large part) is just showing up and being present for your kids. I just hope Daniel turns out as well as her sons have. Oh yes… she is an AMAZING photographer — her blog is surfworthy for just the photography.

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Fear Not Little Flock: The preoteasa is another find from The Simple Woman’s Daybook. She has four kids, homeschools them, and is also the wife of a Byzantine Catholic priest. She’s become a dear friend because she understands the crazy dynamics of being a clergy spouse and she’s a fellow NICU-mom and pre-eclampsia survivor. I’ve learned a whole lot about Eastern Catholicism in the last 4 months and have gotten tips on how to keep my house clean. 🙂

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Permission to Live: This is another pastor’s wife and a mom who deserves a whole lot more credit than she gives herself. I learned about “gentle parenting” from her blog and it’s been invaluable with a two year old to be able to put him down in his crib and give him “a moment” when he throws a tantrum. (I’ll also sometimes give him his bottle and let him self-calm if it’s appropriate.) She grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household and is dealing with the fallout of it, so she is especially interesting to read when it comes to faith issues because she is brutally honest about where we really fall short as believers. (This is a *good* thing.)

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Elizabeth Esther: I love Elizabeth because she talks a lot about being a mom and dealing with her fundamentalist upbringing. (I’m not from a Christian background — I’m a convert to the faith — but I had a lot of friends who grew up in similar families.) She writes a parenting column for the OC Register and posts some amazing insights on her blog. I have learned a great deal from her and her musings about parenting her five kids.

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I Have to Sit Down: I read Simcha not for the parenting advice but for her sense of humor. Her posts are fabulous but what got her on my feed reader was this quiz. I was reading it one of the nights Daniel was in the PICU and answer 3c made me cry from laughing so hard. (I didn’t know that one could *DO* extra-credit at a Santaria club.) She has eight kids and she admits to her house being crazy, library books being ruined, and a whole lot of things that would probably faze me if I didn’t know that they were just par for the course.

(For more of this, head to Conversion Diary.)

The Simple Woman’s Daybook: April 11, 2011

Simple Woman's Daybook

FOR TODAY April 11, 2011

Outside my window… sunny and a little chilly at the moment.

I am thinking… about the paperwork stuff I need to get done this week.

I am thankful for… my family coming up yesterday for Daniel’s 2nd birthday.

From the kitchen… pasta bake and cupcakes.

I am wearing… charcoal gray shirt and capris.

I am creating… this entry.

I am going… to Target later.

I am reading… I Sold My Soul on eBay by Hemant Mehta.

I am hoping… I get a nap today.

I am hearing… Edda mewing and Daniel moving in his crib.

Around the house… cleaned stuff up yesterday. I want to try and organize the closet this week.

One of my favorite things… Daniel’s singing and purry kitties.

A few plans for the rest of the week: SSA tomorrow and getting paperwork done.

Here is picture for thought I am sharing… Daniel yesterday.

Daniel yesterday

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